Second-Chair Leadership: Hard Conversations That Matter

Описание: What does faithful leadership look like when you’re not the one in charge?

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In this episode of the Tim Ahlman Podcast, Tim sits down with Emily Phoenix, Program & Communications Director at KINDLE and host of Cultivating Second Chair Leaders, for a wide-ranging and honest conversation about leadership, identity, and faithfulness in today’s church.

This episode isn’t about winning arguments — it’s about cultivating gentleness, courage, and Christ-centered leadership in a polarized age.

Whether you’re a pastor, commissioned worker, lay leader, or simply someone longing for healthier conversations in the church, this episode invites you to slow down, listen well, and refocus on the mission of Jesus.

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Chapters

00:00 – Introducing Emily Phoenix & Second-Chair Leadership
02:00 – Life in a Mission Plant: New Thing Lutheran Church
05:20 – Programs vs. Presence in Ministry
08:55 – What Is KINDLE and Who Is It For?
11:45 – Why Second-Chair Leaders Think Differently
14:20 – Trust, Tension, and the First-Chair / Second-Chair Relationship
18:05 – Identity Before Influence: Whose We Are in Christ
21:30 – Leadership Development Through the Lens of Jesus
24:50 – Engaging the Unlikely & Having Hard Conversations
28:40 – Why Second-Chair Voices Matter in the LCMS
32:15 – Women, Leadership, and Feeling Safe to Speak
36:40 – Culture, Politics, and the Church’s Witness
41:10 – Immigration, Neighbor-Love, and Christian Tension
45:30 – Fear vs. Love as a Leadership Litmus Test
48:40 – Why Public Comment Sections Fail the Church
52:05 – Final Encouragement for Faithful Leaders