Simplicity • Pragmatic Dave Thomas & Sarah Taraporewalla • GOTO 2025

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Pragmatic Dave Thomas - Pragmatic Programmer Turned Publisher ‪@pragdave‬
Sarah Taraporewalla - CTO APAC at Thoughtworks

RESOURCES
Prag Dave
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Sarah
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Links
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DESCRIPTION
Sarah Taraporewalla (CTO APAC at Thoughtworks) sits down with programming legend Dave Thomas—co-founder of The Pragmatic Programmer and co-creator of principles like DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself)—to discuss his latest book "Simplicity."

Dave reveals why he believes "Agile is Dead" and shares his disillusionment with how agile practices have become rigid, corporate processes rather than the flexible, value-driven approach originally envisioned in the Agile Manifesto he helped create. The conversation centers around his new Orient-Step-Learn framework, designed to help individual developers master true simplicity through deliberate practice and feedback loops, emphasizing that real simplicity requires mastery and cannot be achieved overnight.

Dave advocates for developers to take personal agency, reduce unnecessary dependencies, and focus on what they can control rather than waiting for organizational change, arguing that simplicity is ultimately about cutting away complexity to reveal elegant, minimal solutions.

TIMECODES
00:00 Intro
03:34 Why is 2025 the year for simplicity?
09:05 Understanding true simplicity
11:52 The «Orient-Step-Learn» Framework
24:47 Organizational impact & limitations
27:54 Practical steps to get started
41:07 Outro

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Dave Thomas • simplicity • https://amzn.to/43FghBJ
Dave Thomas & Andy Hunt • The Pragmatic Programmer • https://amzn.to/43QuMBj
Dave Snowden & Friends • Cynefin • https://amzn.to/3FSnF3p
Subramaniam & Hunt • Practices of an Agile Developer • https://amzn.to/2XjbWor
Uncle Bob • Clean Agile • https://amzn.to/3tpAqb5
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