ISO Certification: Real Improvement or Just a Certificate on the Wall? | Talking Safety

Описание: Most organizations pursue ISO 9001, ISO 14001, and ISO 45001 certification.
Very few truly use them.

In this episode of Talking Safety, we have an honest, practitioner-level conversation with experienced QHSSE professionals and ISO certification experts about a problem the industry rarely confronts openly:
ISO certification pursued without commitment becomes bureaucracy, theatre, and false assurance—rather than a tool for real improvement.

We explore:

Why companies really pursue ISO certification (and when the intent shifts)

How certification becomes a “certificate on the wall”

Leadership disengagement and its consequences

The role of consultants and auditors in enabling—or challenging—poor implementations

When dysfunctional ISO systems signal deeper governance and integrity risks

What successful organizations do differently in the first 90 days and first year

How the ISO certification and audit model could be redesigned to drive real accountability

This is not a theoretical discussion. It’s grounded in real-world experience, uncomfortable truths, and practical lessons from the field.

🎙️ Talking Safety is a podcast focused on quality, health, safety, environment, leadership, and culture—beyond checklists and compliance.

👉 If you work with ISO systems, audits, or management systems—or if you’ve ever wondered whether certification actually improves performance—this conversation is for you.