"We need to wait for information to come out" -- Chris Clem on CNN

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fired defensive shots after the armed man resisted attempts to take his weapon away from him. I want to get more expert analysis now and head over to Chris Klem. He's a retired chief patrol agent for U.S. Border patrol. Chris, it's great to see you again. Thank you so much for joining us.

Yes. Good morning to you. Thank you.

So you've had an opportunity to view what I'm sure multiple angles of the incident. Again, just to remind viewers, these are all angles that were captured by by bystanders on their cell phones. What fundamental questions are you left with after seeing all of the footage?

You know, you bring up a great point, right? We've seen a lot of angles from bystanders, and there's a lot of footage out there. I've seen several takes from when they first engaged or when elex first engaged with with agents. You know, there's some active pushing back and forth, some resistance him out in the streets. But I'm really focused on the actual encounter when he was, I would just say, actively resisting and almost being assaulted when the agents were, you know you know, on him.

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Right? He was fighting them. That's the part that's key to me, because that's where everything happens in such a flashpoint. And there's video of a gun being removed. Is that his gun? Is it another agent gun? So there's some points there that are going to be very, very important. And and that investigation is going to play out. I used to always say you don't ever get an award for getting the wrong information out the fastest. And unfortunately, that's the way this world has played out, you know, with with the advent of social media and everybody having a camera phone. So we've really got to take a deep breath. There's people mourning right now, and there's people relieved that it wasn't their their loved one that was injured or killed. So we've got a long ways to go. But again, it's it's something that I've got to see. I got to see where that gun, who that gun belonged to and what happened there. And hopefully we get the results sooner rather than later.

When it comes to the training to is there typically, Chris, whenever these agents obviously go through their training are they trained to when they're encountering an individual who is armed, if they manage to disarm that individual without any further incident before they

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take them into custody, do they usually work under the assumption that that person could still pose a threat until they pat them down

Absolutely. And that training starts pretty much day one of any basic law enforcement academy. Now, I can speak about the border patrol academy 30 years ago that I attended, but we had every quarter my entire career, 27 plus years. We were doing use of force and firearms training. Yes, the idea is to control the threat. You obviously we don't want to have to use deadly force. But to your point, if we've got somebody that's armed, the goal is to disarm them, control them, get them ihandcuffs, and then they're not clear until we pat them down. It's also a rule of thumb when you pass that subject up, who's detained to another officer, you pat them down again because you want to make sure that they're no longer a threat. And that was the key. And that's always been the key. When you are dealing with somebody that has a deadly weapon or any weapon, whether it's a, you know, a sharp stick, a knife or a firearm.

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And, Chris, you also highlight another really good good point here, which is the importance of taking a breath is to to letting an investigation take its course. Border patrol commander Greg bovino could not say if alex actually brandished the weapon and and that the investigation is still ongoing. But by the time that he said that his boss, secretary Chris Noem, had already Kristi Noem, I should say, had already said that it looked like he arrived at the scene looking to inflict maximum, maximum damage. And her agency, dhs, had previouy posted on social media that he was trying to quote massacre law enforcement. So is it too soon to come to that conclusion

You know, in my opinion, I say, yes. But, you know, we are operating under a different time now where, you know, again, back to social media, which is can be a great thing, but you also have you know, I D say opponents of this administration that are putting out information and omitting information. So I think that both commander bovino and

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