Matt Reviews: KISS OF THE SPIDERWOMAN (2025) w/ Ali Gordon

Описание: In this episode, Matt and returning Pod Mother Ali Gordon dive into the latest movie musical: Kiss of the Spider Woman. Adapted from the Tony-winning musical, Spiderwoman follows homosexual window dresser, Molina, and revolutionary Valentin. The two are cellmates in an Argentinian prison at the height of the country’s military controlled government. The two bond as Molina recites his favorite movie musical starring his favorite actress, La Luna, to help distract the two from the perils of their everyday lives.

Matt and Ali untangle the stage show’s campy contradictions, while also highlighting what makes it so magnetic. The two also discuss the story’s origins as a novel and the Oscar-winning 1980’s film that preceded even the stage musical. And what exactly happens to a story about repression when it gets the glossy movie-musical treatment?

Ali Gordon, writer, comedian, and longtime Broadway Breakdown favorite, joins to celebrate her debut novel We Have Reached the End of Our Show and to unpack a show she adores, flaws and all. A theater obsessive with razor-sharp insight (and the patience to debate Bill Condon), Ali brings her trademark mix of heart, humor, and “I know this is messy but I love it anyway” energy to the conversation.

Timestamps
00:00 – Intro
02:30 – Kiss of the Spider Woman: Ali Gordon’s “favorite wreck”
08:00 – From novel to stage: Manuel Puig’s wild narrative form
11:00 – Queerness and censorship in the musical’s early years
18:00 – The 1985 film vs. the 1993 musical: tone, transness, and tension
23:00 – Valentin and Molina: machismo, fantasy, and the politics of sex
27:00 – Bill Condon’s movie musical: ambition or adaptation confusion?
31:00 – Chicago, Dreamgirls, and the “Godfather of the Movie Musical” myth
45:00 – Gimme Love and the problem with pretty choreography
56:00 – The legacy of Chita Rivera’s Aurora and “Where You Are”
1:00:00 – How Spider Woman fits into the lineage of queer musical theater
1:30:00 – Ali plugs her novel (and her huge thesaurus)

Key People Mentioned
Creators: Manuel Puig (novel), John Kander & Fred Ebb (music & lyrics), Terrence McNally (book)

Original Cast: Chita Rivera, Brent Carver, Anthony Crivello

Film Team: William Hurt, Raúl Juliá, Bill Condon (director), Jennifer Lopez, Diego Luna, Tonatiuh Elizarraraz

Related Mentions: Rob Marshall, Tony Kushner

Broadway Breakdown Links

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We Have Reached the End of Our Show by Ali Gordon — bookshop.org
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Listener Discussion Question
What do you think are the rules a movie musical needs to adhere to in order to “work”?