THMG533a – Lithium Ion Suppression Showdown

Описание: Episode Overview
In this episode, the hosts welcome two industry experts—John Orlando and John Glazier—for an in-depth, practical discussion on the growing danger of lithium-ion battery fires. Drawing from frontline fire investigation experience and advanced packaging engineering, the conversation explores why these fires are increasing, where traditional mitigation methods fall short, and how new materials and packaging solutions are changing the way first responders and agencies handle battery incidents.

Guests
John Glazier
• Packaging Engineer (RIT graduate)
• 25+ years in chemical and dangerous goods packaging
• Representative at DGO, specializing in lithium-ion battery containment and transport
• Expert in third-party testing, thermal runaway mitigation, and DOT-compliant packaging
Contact:
• Email: [email protected]
John Orlando
• Retired Fire Marshal with FDNY (27 years)
• Former Supervising Fire Marshal specializing in origin-and-cause investigations
• Founder of Orlando Safety Solutions
• Instrumental in developing NYC’s lithium-ion battery task force
• Focused on responder exposure, toxic gases, and real-world fire behavior
Contact:
• LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook (search John Orlando – Orlando Safety Solutions)

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Segment Breakdown & Timestamps
0:17 – 2:04 | Introductions & Backgrounds
• Meet the guests and their professional paths
• John Orlando’s transition from fire suppression to fire investigation
• Why lithium-ion batteries became a major focus post-2016
2:05 – 6:22 | The Battery Fire Problem
• Why lithium-ion battery fires are underreported
• The rise of e-bikes, scooters, and consumer devices
• Limitations of sand, water, vermiculite, and salt baths
6:23 – 11:20 | Why Traditional Methods Fall Short
• Weight and transport challenges of water- and sand-filled drums
• Re-ignition risks due to stranded energy
• Firefighter exposure to toxic gases and VOCs
11:21 – 13:44 | A New Approach to Mitigation
• Introduction to reactive substrates like Accugrain
• How materials activate at ~60°C
• Filtering toxic gases, acids, and VOCs during thermal runaway
13:44 – 17:00 | Testing, Data, and Validation
• Third-party lab testing at 100% state of charge
• Simulating worst-case “jet engine” thermal runaway scenarios
• EPA testing showing reduced HF and VOC levels
17:01 – 19:55 | The Scale of the Problem
• Why every structure fire is now a lithium-ion incident
• Fire statistics continuing to rise year over year
• The disconnect between awareness and reality
19:56 – 20:49 | Managing Large Battery Volumes
• Handling hundreds of batteries safely
• DOT-compliant poly bins designed for high-energy loads
• Long-term storage and roadway transport considerations
20:50 – 23:22 | Deployment for First Responders
• What should be carried on chief vehicles vs. hazmat units
• Why fire departments—not civilians—should handle overpacking
• Making battery mitigation as standard as axes and Halligans
23:22 – 24:06 | Closing Thoughts & Contact Info
• Where responders can learn more
• Encouragement to test, verify, and adopt safer solutions
• Final thanks and wrap-up


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