Transforming Government Schools & Building Education Systems| Madhukar Banuri on Ei Dialogues

Описание: What does it really take to transform education for millions of children in India’s government schools? In this episode, we unpack Madhukar's 15 years of experience working with state governments, district leaders, and teachers to create sustainable, large-scale education reform.
From a full-circle moment with a former student to the hard truths about systemic change, Madhukar shares why working with the government is not just about scale—it’s a moral imperative.

You’ll hear about:
Why “building government capacity” is essential for lasting education reform
How to balance urgency with the reality that true systems change takes decades
The role of teachers, middle managers, and proven pedagogy in driving learning outcomes
Why LFE chose to stay in one state for 10 years before expanding
Using demand-led teacher training and data to improve classroom practice
Rethinking board exam questions to improve both equity and learning outcomes

⏱ Timestamps:
00:00 - 0:50 Introduction Snippets
0:56 – 5:43 Introduction & Madhukar's Journey
5:43 – 11:18 Early Life, Education & Entry Into Teaching
11:18 – 16:45 Classroom Experience & Systems Thinking
16:45 – 21:46 Why Systemic Change Takes Time
21:46 – 29:34 Systemic Barriers: Capacity, Policy, Middle Layer
29:34 – 36:41 Solutions: Roles, Teacher Support, and Government
36:41 – 44:50 Deep Work in One State & Demand-Led Teacher Support
44:50 – 51:08 Data, Personalisation, and Defining "Good" Education
51:08 – 59:40 Rethinking Exams, Assessments & Measuring Impact
59:40 – 1:10:59 Vision for India's Education & Closing Reflections
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About EI Dialogues
EI Dialogues is a podcast series by Educational Initiatives, centred around advancing development in education at scale. The series synthesises perspectives across leadership, philanthropy, institution-building, technology for social good, and systemic transformation—via candid conversations with India's most forward-thinking change-makers.

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About Educational Initiatives (EI)
Educational Initiatives (EI), founded in 2001, is committed to improving learning outcomes for every child. Its Large Scale Education Programs team works closely with low-income government schools across India through diagnostic student assessments, adaptive learning tools, teacher capacity building, and education research.

🌐 Learn more: https://ei.study/
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About Leadership For Equity (LFE)
Founded in 2017 with a mission to revolutionise India's public education system for its 240 million school-going children. LFE pursues scalable, sustainable, and inclusive transformation focused on building efficient public education governance. This is achieved through a three-pronged systems change approach: empowering system leadership, strengthening teacher education, and enhancing educational governance.

🌐 Learn more: https://www.leadershipforequity.org/

📌 Resources & Links:
Connect with Madhukar Banuri:   / madhukarbanuri  

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