How Olivia Rodrigo’s Love Songs Became a Breakup Album

Описание: Olivia Rodrigo sat down with Joe and Jon for her first in-depth conversation about her new album, “you seem pretty sad for a girl so in love,” out June 12. She discussed the many ways her creative process intersects with the extracurricular noise of pop superstardom, whether its managing relationship drama; accusations of pilfering songwriting gestures from Taylor Swift, her onetime idol; being targeted for the way she dresses; or her willingness to speak up about political and social causes in a way many of her peers won’t.

0:00 Intro!
3:54 Joe & Jon’s SNL fact check
7:34 Rewriting love songs after a breakup
12:35 How Olivia found the right sound for this album
19:49 Olivia’s songwriting process
23:23 Is Olivia ok with being the villain in her songs?
25:22 Cursing less on this album + working with Dan Nigro
30:35 Looking back on “Guts” + having compassion for her younger self
38:59 Joe & Jon’s favorite songs on the album
43:16 The challenge of writing love songs vs. breakup songs
47:05 Olivia’s thoughts on artists speaking out politically
50:41 Why Olivia did not attend this year’s Met Gala
52:26 How she reacts to “internet detective work”
54:10 Olivia responds to the babydoll dress controversy
56:13 Valuing her young fan base and girlhood as a shared experience
1:03:31 Olivia guesses which SATC characters Joe and Jon are
1:05:59 Popcast’s Lightning Round on her childhood, experiencing jealousy, and identifying as a “fan girl”
1:22:00 Snack Time! (with an allegedly shelf-stable dip)

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